Threats to Pangolins & Pangolin Conservation

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Re: Threats to Pangolins & Pangolin Conservation

Post by Klipspringer » Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:38 am

Another part of the interview, and the most worrying to me: the sustainable use mantra that sends the message that it is a valuable animal and that it is socially acceptable to use it. The omnipresent promotion of use of animal products will just increase demand!
The South African government, at the moment, has made it very clear that they support traditional medicine in this country very strongly. There is a council of traditional medicine practitioners, that sit (as a council) in parliament.
Traditional healers get awarded a certificate of compliance, and they can practice legal trade. That, basically means, we haven't got a lot of say. If a pangolin is found in a muti market - too late. If it's found being transported, we have a say.
So, once theyǯre in any type of traditional medicine market or in possession of a traditional healer, it is authenticated, we have no say. We can't touch them. And if it has been prescribed to patients, so be it. But, if it's being moved, without permits, we have all the say. That is where it is. We have no say in traditional practice.
You will not be able to convict a traditional healer. Forget it. Don't even go there. It is not going to happen. But harvesting, and movement - yes…we've got a huge case.
We do get a lot of mortalities every year, road kills, electric fences…I do believe that we can make limited trade available to them.
If it is extinct, it is gone from their culture. That is HUGE. When they hear that, they get very upset. That's the message to get across. It's not that we're banning them from the culture – it's very important that the message is correct "we want to make it available to your culture, but please don't go and harvest live animals." We will make them available as a limited resource.

We get dead ones all the time – we've got a bank of them. So, we can say "okay, we're giving you, as an individual – sign for it, here's your CITES permit, here's your trading permit, here's your personal permit – 5 scales, net weight: 800grams". Then he will prescribe a little bit of powder from one scale. You must understand, these things aren't used up quickly…one trader can have a skin for 5 – 10 years…he takes a bit of scale, grinds it up, says"okay, that's for my muti".
This National Environmental Management Biodiversity Act requires all wildlife traders to be registered and to apply for possession permits related to endangered species with restricted trade (TOPs species) -O- -O- -O-

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Re: Threats to Pangolins & Pangolin Conservation

Post by Richprins » Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:50 am

Sustainable use does not in any form apply to wild endangered animals! 0- @#$
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Re: Threats to Pangolins & Pangolin Conservation

Post by Klipspringer » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:30 am

Richprins wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:50 am
Sustainable use does not in any form apply to wild endangered animals! 0- @#$

It is a misconception that domestic use and trade in specimens of TOPS species (pangolin is such a species) is frobidden, it is only regulated and requires a department issued possession and trade permit. SA law and policy has attempted to recognise and promote the sustainable use of wildlife in traditional healing and muthi and regulate it.
The National Environmental Management Biodiversity Act requires all wildlife traders to be registered and to apply for possession permits related to endangered species with restricted trade. As a result the state should have an enforcement plan but obviously has none.
Pangolin, vulture, lion bones are still on sale at the Faraday market and other trading spots or in the rural villages.

What kind of protection does the SA law provide for TOPS species?
NEMBA provisions
- The Minister may, by notice in the Gazette, publish a list of TOPS species
- A person may not carry out a restricted activity involving a specimen of a listed threatened or protected species (TOPS) without a permit.
- A person may not import, export or re-export, or introduce from the sea, a specimen of a species listed in terms of the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES) without a permit.
- The Minister may, by notice in the Gazette, prohibit an activity that may negatively impact on the survival of a listed TOPS.
- The Minister may, by Notice in the Gazette, exempt a person or a category of persons from the restrictions contained in sections 57(1) and 57(1A).
- The Minister may make regulations relating to the facilitation of the implementation and enforcement
NEMBA definitions of restricted activity: This generally involves activities that have a direct impact on listed species, such as hunting, catching or killing; gathering or collecting; picking parts of, chopping off, cutting, uprooting or destroying; importing into or exporting from the Republic; having in possession or exercising physical control over; growing, breeding or propagating; conveying, moving or translocating; selling, buying, receiving or donating, or any other prescribed activity involving a specimen of a listed threatened or protected species.


And how is this enforced and is there any punitive action in place to force authorities to take action when offences were reported? It does not help that there are all these regulations and laws in place if it is not enforced because of bribery, favouritism, lack of interest or whatever the case might be.

And more important: Do you get a permit to trade or use TOPS species? That's a question I can not answer for pangolins. But when it comes to protected plant species, it is obviously possible to get permits, you just need to show proof of legal acquisition which is often a letter of consent by the landowner or chief where the specimens are collected. And I don't really understand the system, how can a landwoner or chief issue a letter of consent and "allow" to collect TOPS-listed species? How can there be any legal acquisition? Had the landowner a permit for collection in the first place? One of the mysteries in regulated trade in SA? -O-


IMO it is a contradiction in itself to promote the use of wildlife (esp for magical and status purposes) because it is a growing economic factor and rooted in traditions and any attempt to not only regulate but enforce the law and control the formal and informal industry. But that is my opinion and it is shaped by non-African traditions.

My point here is actually - and it started with the media articles blaming Asian tradition for the possible increase in Pangolin poaching in South Africa - that the sustainable use policy may create more problems than solutions when it comes to endangered species.

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Re: Threats to Pangolins & Pangolin Conservation

Post by Richprins » Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:53 pm

I think most of the legal trade permits have to do with "farmed" animals, or in other words those raised privately?

Regarding traditional plants, the initial harvesters often protect their source plants so as to use them sustainably, so to speak, but it is a hit-and-miss affair legally... :-?

The Minister may, by notice in the Gazette, prohibit an activity that may negatively impact on the survival of a listed TOPS.

This is the bottom line.
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Re: Threats to Pangolins & Pangolin Conservation

Post by Lisbeth » Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:57 pm

It seems to be a very tangled matter :-?
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Re: Threats to Pangolins & Pangolin Conservation

Post by Klipspringer » Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:47 pm

Richprins wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:53 pm
I think most of the legal trade permits have to do with "farmed" animals, or in other words those raised privately?
Farmed animals are a different category, you need to register a commercial breeding operation and then you can trade, I think.
For instance the private rhino farmers are not registered as CPOs hence these rhino are regarded wild animals and require CITES permits for trade.
I had a look at the CITEs trade database and found that SA has exportes lots of rhino (all wild), several to zoos and some for reintroduction to eSwatini, Botswana, Zimbabwe etc

SA used to be involved in trade of pangolin products before trade was banned in 2016. A major importer was USA, wonder what kind of demand they have there -O-

Anyway, pangolins can not be farmed and all claims of captive bred pangolin products in Asia and West Africa are fake.

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Re: Threats to Pangolins & Pangolin Conservation

Post by Lisbeth » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:51 am

I hope that it was still alive.

There are a lot of opportunists around :-?
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Post by Richprins » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:55 am

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