Rezoning of Tsitsikamma Marine Protected Area

[Richprins]

Oh, they are very inventive and can do all sorts of things, Lis...burn, blockade, protest, destroy, intimidate...

Rule of law doesn't particularly bother them, nore long-term thinking.

[Lisbeth]

And the police? Not afraid of them either?

[Alf]

If the police react with any violence then the media will jump on the wagon and say - brutal police killing poor people

[Lisbeth]

They don't have to kill them, only take the leaders into custody. That should stop it

[Richprins]

Not just before elections!

[Lisbeth]

[nan]

same in all coutries

[Richprins]

What is really troubling for me, is that essentially locals obviously not particularly interested in the bigger conservation picture, rather exploitation, and with a violent bent, may be entering and exiting the Park at all hours...commercial fishing is a crepuscular activity...

Not good for security at all!

[Lisbeth]

Not good for anything, least of all for the fish population, which is already badly low along the coast

[Toko]

What is really troubling for me, is that essentially locals obviously not particularly interested in the bigger conservation picture, rather exploitation

A logical consequence of DEA and SANParks' paradigm shifts, it's no longer about conservation, the debates are about providing benefits for society and then may it be sustainable which means benefits should be protected for future generations. We are in the wrong discourse when we have a concern that these are precedents that will pose a threat to biodiversity. The idea that protected areas are meant to protect biodiversity is no longer, it's about protection of rights to use the flow of benefits from resources. And the trade off here and elsewhere is about different needsin terms of uses such as subsistence, recreational and others.