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Re: Legal culling of 900 000 jackals and caracals

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Hmmmmm...... seems as if the cat has been put amongst the pigeons 0*\
Lets put another cat in amongst them .
IMHO , this report is an overreaction , and to some extent a misrepresentation in order to sweep up public outrage .
The permit allows 480 farmers to kill up to a maximum of 10 predators per day , and collectively , over a period of time could translate into around 900 000 animals . Now , any reasonable person , with capability of reasonable thinking , will realise that such a number is just impossible . I do not think that there are so many jackals in the whole of Africa , never mind just in the farming area within the Western Cape . Although one of my neighbours ( about 4 kilometres away from me ) with a farm up in a kloof into the mountain does say that on occasion caracals kill his geese , personally , in more than 20 years here in Worcester , I have never even seen 1 jackal .
So , it certainly not as if this whole region is absolutely teeming with these predators , and that suddenly they may be wiped out :shock: Far from it . In general , especially smallstock farmers do have a problem with jackals and caracals , which kill 1000's of sheep and goats every year , and causing R'millions in damages . And that , plus stock-theft , are the two most important factors which actually keep stock number down , and contribute much to cause high red-meat prices :O^
Both Jackals and caracals are territorial , and as soon as one individual is " taken out " , then another one moves in . As such , if a farmer kills a few of them , as long as the habitat remains unaltered , then very soon they are being replaced by " new ones " moving in .
So , therefore , indiscriminately killing them does not really help , but what else is there to do ?


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okie wrote: Hmmmmm...... seems as if the cat has been put amongst the pigeons 0*\
..........Although one of my neighbours ( about 4 kilometres away from me ) with a farm up in a kloof into the mountain does say that on occasion caracals kill his geese , personally , in more than 20 years here in Worcester , I have never even seen 1 jackal.......
here is the same, Foxes "levy" hens, if farmers don't put Inside a chicken coop for the night.... one by one till the last one ;-) and even if the chicken coop is not very well closed
don't we say "as sly as a Fox"

How I would like to see/have a Caracal under my balcony... instead of a Fox O:V


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Thanks for putting it into perspective okie. \O


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Re: Legal culling of 900 000 jackals and caracals

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\O Nan & Flutterby .

Just to show how " unreasonable " that report is , lets consider this . It actually implies a number of almost 900 000 individual kills - see quote : Each permit holder was permitted to kill five caracals and five jackals a day for 183 consecutive days. This adds up to a stupendous 894 250 individual kills -- Unquote .

Just think , if that is so , then there must have been at least that same number around prior to the killing period . If one assumes now each one of those 900 000 jackals/caracals had killed just one sheep in the previous 12 months , it means 900,000 sheep , at a price of R1000 ( that's cheap ) per sheep , or a total cost to the farmers of R900 million :shock:
Oh , and BTW , lets say each sheep has a slaughtered carcass weight of say 20 kg only , then the total cost to farmer ( abbatoir prices ) , at only R40 per kilo , would be around R75 billion .


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\O Nan & Flutterby .

Just to show how " unreasonable " that report is , lets consider this . It actually implies a number of almost 900 000 individual kills - see quote : Each permit holder was permitted to kill five caracals and five jackals a day for 183 consecutive days. This adds up to a stupendous 894 250 individual kills -- Unquote .

Just think , if that is so , then there must have been at least that same number around prior to the killing period . If one assumes now each one of those 900 000 jackals/caracals had killed just one sheep in the previous 12 months , it means 900,000 sheep , at a price of R1000 ( that's cheap ) per sheep , or a total cost to the farmers of R900 million :shock:
Oh , and BTW , lets say each sheep only has a slaughtered carcass weight of say 20 kg only , then the total cost to farmer ( abbatoir prices ) , at only R40 per kilo , would still be around R750 million .


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We have a few wolves in the mountains, but they are protected. If they kill a sheep or three the farmer is indemnified. So everybody is happy....almost ;-)


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Can farmers here insure their livestock against kills from wildlife?


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Hmmm... No , not as far as I know . And if possible , then probably very expensive , like crop-insurance say against hail-damage - which can cost you as much as 33 % of the value of the crop 0*\
So , even if it does not hail , then after paying the insurance premium , you only basically receive 66 % of the value of the crop .......


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I would like to give that smirking Bait shooter, who shot a harmless Brown Hyena, a 300 grain fast expanding bullet through his Boep from a .375 H&H magnum ...that should wipe that smirk off his face


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In any case the way these permits to kill are given is totally wrong. I am sure there is another way! The single farmer should not be allowed to kill whatever comes his way. Only professionals should do the job. Rangers or other.


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