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Re: Insect or Invertebrates Identification

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Richprins wrote: Sat May 30, 2020 4:47 pm Small moth..1-1.5 cm...it sticks its bum in the air! :-? :shock:
https://africawild-forum.com/viewtopic. ... 00#p502900


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Re: Insect or Invertebrates Identification

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Will be happy to have a closer look at individual parts of the fly's head and wing. :yes:

Some words of wisdom for future reference: If ExF agrees with me, I should probably rethink my ID... O** O**


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Or: If you do not understand all parts of a key and a description, go and learn =O: =O:


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Re: Insect or Invertebrates Identification

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lol I have downloaded physiology of flies pics, and entomological terminology papers, and I'm still :-? often times. For example - the fly we are trying to ID here, looks to me like it has longish hair on its face (to use the technical jargon O** ). But the one whose antennae insertion point you like is not one w/ facial bristles (see, I'm a fast learner) ;-)

Anyway, will see what I can find. -O- 0()


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Often a mystery what is a hair, setula, seta, birstle etc: but we don't have a facial brush of stiff hairs, I think and the angle is not exactly lateral, so on your photo we see something from between the eyes and on the figure we see the lateral profile.


I am still not 100% convinced lol


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:ty: Klippies!

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Re: Insect or Invertebrates Identification

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0: 0: Here are some close-ups of the head and wing, along with the pics from your post. I can’t even decipher what, or exactly where, an “oral rim” is. ??? Oral usually refers to the mouth (no dummy here), but from the illustration, that's not clear, and the term doesn't show up in my fly anatomy articles. From what part of this “rim” am I assessing the distance of the antenna insertion from - lower, upper, middle??
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Sorry, :-( but I am useless, other than agreeing the wing venation seems a good match. 0- (And that will probably turn out to NOT be the case, with my track record being what it is... O** )


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ExFmem wrote: Sun May 31, 2020 8:13 pm I can’t even decipher what, or exactly where, an “oral rim” is. ??? Oral usually refers to the mouth (no dummy here), but from the illustration, that's not clear, and the term doesn't show up in my fly anatomy articles. From what part of this “rim” am I assessing the distance of the antenna insertion from - lower, upper, middle??
My thoughts exactly, but anyway you can not see a mouth edge in your photo, it's behind the hairs.

The point is to check where the antennae are compared to the eye.

Here you can see some illustrations with a frontal view, the antennae are just inserted higher up or lower. In Hyperusia it is approx. middle of eye.
head frontal.jpg

The most convincing part is the general head shape in the lateral view. And with your detail photo it's easier to see what would be a lateral view.


Wing looks pretty good
wing-sml.jpg

What do you think: Does it go under 'Unidentified Mariobezzinae' or 'Mariobezzinae, Hyperusia sp.' ? O**


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Re: Insect or Invertebrates Identification

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Yeah, the wing is pretty spot on. I think the head, with the outline of the eye, fits Hyperusia quite well, eye:head proportion, antenna location, etc. I say go for Hyperusia. We can always update/amend our entries later. ^Q^

Do you have any info. I can peruse on Phasia (used to be Alophora) Family Tachinidae? There is a paper by Sun and Marshall on the Systematics of Phasia, which I cannot access, not being a researcher, etc etc. :ty:


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Re: Insect or Invertebrates Identification

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There are 2 Phasia from your travel tale

Walking fly here
https://africawild-forum.com/viewtopic. ... 75#p378875

and fly5 here
https://africawild-forum.com/viewtopic. ... 96#p390696


Let's see what I can find


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