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Re: Insect or Invertebrates Identification

Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:39 pm
by mposthumus
Yea right :O^ so much so for luck 0*\ Seems as if I'm stuck with an old male nomad then /ou/

:ty: for the info Klipspringer O0

Re: Insect or Invertebrates Identification

Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:48 pm
by Klipspringer
mposthumus wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:39 pm Yea right :O^ so much so for luck 0*\ Seems as if I'm stuck with an old male nomad then /ou/

:ty: for the info Klipspringer O0
That's what you get for this one ;-)

But a spectacular find, not often seen in Kruger ^Q^

Re: Insect or Invertebrates Identification

Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:00 pm
by Lisbeth
And now it is in our Africa Wild Invertebrates Book \O https://www.africawild-forum.com/viewto ... 89#p534689

Re: Insect or Invertebrates Identification

Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:03 pm
by mposthumus
lol \O

Re: Insect or Invertebrates Identification

Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:55 pm
by mposthumus
Lisbeth wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:00 pm And now it is in our Africa Wild Invertebrates Book \O https://www.africawild-forum.com/viewto ... 89#p534689
Thx Lisbeth 0/0

Re: AW Insect Book: Mantids (Mantodea) Pics & Descriptions

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:37 pm
by Klipspringer
ExFmem wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:41 pm African Mantis Miomantis sp. (Saussure 1870)
Superfamily Miomantoidea. Family Miomantidae. Subfamily Miomantinae. Tribe Miomantini

Genus Miomantis
Miomantis is a large genus comprising about 65 named species distributed in Egypt and eastern and southern Africa (Beier 1935c, Schoeman 1985, Roy 1987b). It is in urgent need of revision, as many of the species named by Giglio-Tos are based on color only. Beier(1955) points out that the only certain way of distinguishing the species is by way of the structure and form of the male genitalia.

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2016 KTP by ExF

Diagnosis.
*Moderately small mantids, variably green/brown in color.
*Head broader than long, distinctly wider than pronotum, especially in female; ocelli and antennae inserted on anterior face, the ocelli without prominent tubercles or elevations and the antennae filiform; frons much wider than high, with corners more or less rounded; eyes rounded or conical but not projecting.
*Pronotum moderately slender, anteriorly rounded and narrower than posterior, with a flat, oval, weak supracoxal swelling, the disc, which in female is occasionally granular with serrated edges.
*Wings present in both sexes; in male well developed, hyaline, occasionally somewhat smoky, the tegmina having a longitudinal coloured stripe between costal and discoidal fields; in female somewhat shortened, variable in length, opaque, the tegmina with costal field at most half as wide as discoidal field.
*Raptorial legs strong; coxa longer than metazone of pronotum, with strongly developed denticles; femur moderately slender, with 4 discoidal and
4 outer teeth; ventral surface around outer teeth with several denticles; claw-furrow situated in proximal half of femur; tibia with 7 teeth in outer row.
*Middle and hind legs normal; middle metatarsus as long as other segments together, hind metatarsus longer.
*Suranal plate triangular, not elongate. Cerci moderately short, simple.
*Sexual dimorphism strong.

Links:
https://www.biotaxa.org/fnz/article/viewFile/1765/2911
http://biodiversityadvisor.sanbi.org/wp ... todea.xlsx

0/* ExFmem

found this
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/6039632

Should we consider this maybe?

Somehow I am not happy with our Miomantis idea

(we can discuss here and later move to the ID topic where currently Richprins and Lisbeth are fooling around)

Re: AW Insect Book: Mantids (Mantodea) Pics & Descriptions

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:42 pm
by ExFmem
0/* Sure. Let me give it some thought later today and will see what I can come up with. 0/0

Re: AW Insect Book: Mantids (Mantodea) Pics & Descriptions

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:50 am
by Richprins
Klipspringer wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:37 pm

(we can discuss here and later move to the ID topic where currently Richprins and Lisbeth are fooling around)
0: 0: You can just ID there! 0/0

Re: AW Insect Book: Mantids (Mantodea) Pics & Descriptions

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:29 am
by Lisbeth
(we can discuss here and later move to the ID topic where currently Richprins and Lisbeth are fooling around)
^0^ (0!)

Re: AW Insect Book: Mantids (Mantodea) Pics & Descriptions

Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:32 am
by ExFmem
Same story, different day for me… :O^

On superficial resemblance it looks great, but as so many experts have confirmed, that’s not nearly the final word. I see the species/subspecies and known locales, so looks promising, but I couldn’t find any definitive literature on Miomantis as compared to Bisanthe. This link about B. menyharthi and its subspecies is in German (which is all Greek to me ;-) ) and I hoped it would at least give some identification keys to Bisanthe.

https://www.zobodat.at/pdf/ANNA_96B_0059-0067.pdf

Note: Bisanthe menyharthi (B. menyharthi ssp. menyharthi= B. Modesta)

. Genus: Bisanthe Stal, 1876
. Bisanthe lagrecai Kaltenbach, 1996 [Transvaal, Zimbabwe]
. Bisanthe menyharthi menyharthi (Brancsik, 1895) [Mozambique, Zambia, Zimbabwe]
. Bisanthe menyharthi raggei Kaltenbach, 1994 [Zimbabwe, Botswana]
. Bisanthe pulchripennis (Stal, 1876) [Botswana, Namibia, Transvaal]
. Bisanthe tricolor Werner, 1923 [Botswana, Namibia, Transvaal]

I know, thanks for nothing, pretty much. -O-