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Re: SA wants 'once-off' sale of rhino horn

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:33 am
by PennyinSA
Yep the magic money - one minute its there and then pooooffffff and its all gone! Then there will be a whole load of head scratching and investigation after investigation and then the secrecy bill will stop us all knowing what the results of the investigation are and in the meantime Obama is also dishing out money! Eish!

Re: Legalising International Trade in Rhino Horn ???

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:48 am
by Flutterby
And I wonder how much of that $1 billion would actually make it's way back into conservation? 0*\

Re: SA wants 'once-off' sale of rhino horn

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:51 am
by Flutterby
Tshukudu wrote:On what would happen to the money generated from such sales, he said: "Our view is the money should go to conservation."
I'd like to see that happen...more likely it will disappear into a black hole never to be seen again! :O^

Re: Legalising International Trade in Rhino Horn ???

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:56 am
by Flutterby
Let's export rhino horn, dagga and tik
2013-07-08 07:30

Chris Moerdyk

I think it is diabolically clever of government to approve the sale of its stockpile of rhino horn because let's face it, we need the money. At the current going rate of R600 000 a kilogram our horny little nest egg would bring in R11bn.

Which is not to be sneezed at.

In fact, this presents South Africa with an entire new raft of export products that could earn us much needed foreign exchange and improve the value of the rand to the extent that every citizen would benefit.

It is pretty much common knowledge that in spite of the best efforts of the SAPS, South Africa probably has the world's largest crop of dagga which must also be worth billions in foreign markets.

The Cape Flats alone has enough tik to keep the entire state of California high for at least a year or two and if you happen to venture into the poorer parts of the country's residential areas you will find a massive home-brew liquor industry that, were it to be brought together and floated on the New York stock exchange, would make SAB-Miller look like a struggling start-up.

I reckon that all of this put together would amount to about $100bn in foreign earnings for South Africa every year. That's more than one trillion rand, which would mean that no South African would ever have to pay tax again. Unless government decided to spend all this lovely lolly on something silly like building lavatories or buying fleets of BMWs.

Of course this is nonsense - intentionally so. Just to demonstrate how insane is the whole idea of selling our rhino horn.

What happens when stock is used up?

Of course government argues that it will flood the market, thereby reducing the value and by consequence making it less profitable for poachers to risk their lives.

Which is nonsense because, first of all what will happen when that stock is used up? The price of rhino horn will increase again.

Apart from which if rhino horn does become cheaper it will undoubtedly entice those who could not afford it before, to give it a try and by consequence, create millions more addicts.

Sure, there is a lot of money to be made flogging our rhino horn. But then why stop there? Why not flog our dagga and home-brews? There are many countries in which both these are legal and I daresay we could find a few countries happy to import our tik as well.

Only a few weeks ago government set fire to millions of Rands worth of illegally imported cigarettes. Why didn't they just sell them cheaply, thereby making it unprofitable for anyone to keep sneaking containers of contraband cigarettes across our borders?

The Endangered Wildlife Trust has already said that there are "far too many uncertainties to be cleared before deciding on legalised (rhino horn) trade".

I agree with them.

http://www.news24.com/Columnists/ChrisM ... k-20130708?

Re: Legalising International Trade in Rhino Horn ???

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:42 pm
by H. erectus
Legalized trade in rhino horn stinks!!! Like the smell
of "Twagga" .Gov your'e a loser though you seem to
think now is the time too rake it in!!!

All over the back offa natural heritage!!!

Re: Legalising International Trade in Rhino Horn ???

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:47 pm
by Richprins
I think the article is not that well-researched, but anyway.

What will happen when the "stockpile" is exhausted, which may take a while, is that farmed horn will continue to provide income to owners, who may otherwise just give up, as mentioned elsewhere.

Re: Legalising International Trade in Rhino Horn ???

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:55 pm
by Sprocky
And, as mentioned elsewhere, SA .gov plans on a once of sale of stock piled horn. Out of sight out of mind and money in hand! 0*\

Rhino horn – trading in fraud

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:26 am
by Lisbeth
Rhino horn – trading in fraud
by Ian Michler on July 9, 2013 in Rhino Poaching

Not unexpectedly, the South African government announced last week their intention to submit an application to CITES in 2016 for permission to trade their rhino horn stockpiles. But rather than seeking a complete legalization of trade, they have decided on what can only be referred to as the most foolish option – a one-off sale of the 16 347kgs in government warehouses and 2 092kgs in the hands of private rhino owners.

I have always argued against any form of trade so this choice is extremely disappointing to say the least, but it borders on alarming when one considers how short-sighted a one-off sale is. It implies indecision and a sense of desperation that carries no clear strategy on how to tackle the current crisis. “South Africa cannot continue to be held hostage by the syndicates slaughtering our rhino” says the Minister. And then with one transaction she simply wants to transfer the entire stockpile into the hands of the very agents she accuses of holding the country hostage. It makes no sense whatsoever to reward those that are fuelling the markets and driving the frenzy of speculation around trade by handing them the loot.

What may I ask of government comes after the one-off sale?

Along with the users and hoarders of horn, the Chinese and Vietnamese governments are central to the problem – both have it within their means to clamp down hard on the illegal trade as well as taking the responsibility to educate users as to why it’s unwise to pay handsomely for a product that’s useless. To date, they have chosen not to do so and this fuels the fraud. In addition, we have a very clear picture of how the one-off sales in ivory during the last decade fuelled elephant poaching, yet we want to go ahead and raffle the future of rhino on a platform that so clearly failed elephants. It’s an indictment on us that the best solution we can offer the rhino is to reward the criminality and become party to the fraud.

And if recent reports are true, this whole mess has now become what can only be called a ‘triple fraud’ – not only are victims being asked to pay large amounts of money for something that is useless, they are in all likelihood now paying for substances that are fake.

Some positive news did emerge last week after the US President’s visit to Africa – Barack Obama seems to have got that the onslaught against Arica’s wildlife is an international crisis being driven by large criminal syndicates involved in various other illegal activities including terrorism and drugs. While signing Executive Orders to release US$10m may not seem enough, it’s a start and officials pledged to “set up a task force to develop a strategy against illicit wildlife trade”. The President must now take these issues to the highest levels – into the corridors of bodies such as the UN and EU, and commitments to stop the trade and poaching should be linked to future trade and economic agreements.

Re: Legalising International Trade in Rhino Horn ???

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:52 pm
by Toko
Still questions on the rhino trade

19 July 2013
Elephant's Ear, by Guy Rogers
WITH the proposed trade of rhino horn now officially on the table, some of the key things to pin down are where will the money go, and how will the trade be properly regulated and monitored?

While Environment Minister Edna Molewa indicated in her landmark July 3 announcement that the proceeds would go to rhino conservation, other reports indicate this is only the department’s "view”.

Rhino expert Dr Mike Knight says clarity on how the money raised will be used needs to be a cornerstone of the minister’s trade proposal if it is to have any chance of success at the 2016 Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (Cites) summit in Cape Town. Otherwise the international community (there are 178 countries represented on Cites) can dismiss it as just a money-making strategy to fill South African government coffers and enrich private rhino ranchers.

South Africa’s case for trade will need to go further, says Port Elizabeth-based Knight, who is SANParks’ planning chief and also the International Union for the Conservation of Nature’s African Rhino Specialist Group chairman. Cites is as much a political institution as a conservation one and although we have 73% of the world’s rhino in our country, any approved trade model will have to show benefits for rhino globally – including therefore the remaining populations in Kenya and Asia as well. This could be achieved via a tax which could be shaved off our trade proceeds and directed to these countries, where they would also need to be ring-fenced for rhino conservation.

Molewa’s argument is that supplying the scarce resource of rhino horn through carefully regulated trade will slash the present clamour for it on the black market. The Wildlife Society has called for caution to be applied and "thorough investigation and robust information” to be considered before taking the final plunge.
Knight says part of the hard work ahead for the minister’s team will be to prove how this supply and demand intervention will lead to the ultimate goals of reduced poaching and growth in rhino numbers and range.

Molewa’s deputy director-general, Fundisile Mketeni (who long ago headlined in The Herald as the first black manager of the Addo Elephant National Park), was quoted following the minister’s speech as saying a once-off sale of legal stockpiles was "the thinking” in terms of what form the trade would take.
South Africa has 18 tons of stockpiled horn, worth about R10-billion.

But a once-off sale would not be the right approach, Knight argues. It makes it difficult for South Africa to determine the market price and to gain full value from the deal, instead allowing for collusion between buyers who can then stockpile and sell on the horn.

The most important element must be razor-sharp monitoring of the passage of each horn "from source to sink” to prohibit the possibility of laundering. It is here that the DNA passport for individual horns being developed at Onderstepoort will be vital.

Depending on what is approved, the source might be the legal stockpile or, going forward, horns collected from animals which die naturally in the veld or horns harvested from live farmed animals.

The tight control on legal supply needs to be matched by the same on the consumer side. At the moment consumer countries like Vietnam and China are not putting up their hands, but if Molewa’s model is going to fly, laws there will need to be enacted and enforced.

A chilling research report by the Forum for African Investigative Reporters has revealed a rotten corps of South African safari operators and customs officials who together with some Mozambican politicians are facilitating a "mad scramble” to rip as many rhino horns as possible out the Kruger National Park.
Asked about this and how it would affect the benefits of legal trade, Knight is cautiously optimistic.

Corruption can be countered by improving monitoring and enforcement – and the political will is there to achieve this on the South African side, he says. Necessary capacity will come with grasp of the detail of the trade regulations.

Earth Afrika argues that rhino poaching is actually terrorism as defined in South Africa and by the African Union – a deadly, systematic assault on a flagship natural resource which is also killing our rangers and soldiers, wracking up huge protection and loss costs, jeopardising our key tourism industry and flouting our law.

That we have to use the benign instrument of trade to overcome these scumbags when they should be blown out the water rankles. But, just possibly, where all else so far has failed, it could work.

Re: Legalising International Trade in Rhino Horn ???

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:41 pm
by Richprins
From the RIM Report: https://www.environment.gov.za/sites/de ... report.pdf


7
Strategic focus
Recommendation
Key actions
Impacts
COMMERCE & TRADE
Minister to announce intention to lift
the moratorium on domestic trade in
rhino horn.
Authorize sale of farmed horn
through auctions or other
appropriate mechanisms;
Consider opening a rhino horn
trading bourse possibly linked to the
JSE
Review and amendment of Threatened or Protected Species (TOPS)
and other relevant legislation. Simplify.
Authorized trade limited to the issue of paper and not entail the
physical movement of horn other than first sale
Horn sold with permit, issued after DNA sampling and chipping
Central Storage Facility identified and rhino horn from farming
and/or
natural deaths and/or stockpiles kept there.
Board of Directors/Trust drawn from public sector, private sector and
civil society to oversee the facility and the horn management issues.
Will create speculative market in rhino horn
domestically
Will offer incentive for continued participation of the
private sector in rhino management
Includes extensive (semi-wild) and intensive (farmed)
rhino horn.
Allows for income to be earned to offset costs of
keeping and maintaining rhino, and increased security
costs.
DEA to announce its intention of
applying for the lifting of the trade
ban in rhino horn.
Begin implementation of priority actions required by CITES to
demonstrate South African abilities to manage legal trade effectively
Increased opposition from entities opposed to
trade
Begin preparation of submission and pre discussion of submission
with the Parties
Increase information gathering to support econometric modelling for
supply and demand in Rhino horn and options for its management.
Submit alternative plan to the Parties.
Ultimately, legal trade from farmed rhino horn or wild
rhino horn accumulated due to natural mortality will
provide some of the market demand for horn thus
potentially reducing poaching of wild populations.
DEA should request permission for
two auctions in 2013 to permit sales
of stockpiles to finance efforts to
fight poaching and increase ranges
Prepare requirements for submission to CITES for auctions
Hold auctions
Reduction in poaching pressure on wild rhino as legal
(and less costly) horn enters the market
Earnings for State and Private sector can fund
increased protection, improved counting and improved
conservation.


Looks like it's going to happen, including an application to CITES this year.....