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Re: New EIA Malelane Lodge
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:07 pm
by Lisbeth
We will be visiting Kruger this winter, but we will be staying outside the park

Re: New EIA Malelane Lodge
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:11 pm
by Mel
Ja, but wouldn't you have to go back to Adam and Eve, aka even the rustic camps / campsite that were first built and say they were already interferring with nature.
Difficult to draw a line where exactly it starts, IMO. But I'm convinced that this lodge is way over the top now.
Re: New EIA Malelane Lodge
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:28 pm
by Puff Addy
This says it more eloquently than I ever could:
I think your argument is flawed as it does not take quantity into account.
Having one lodge in a park does not mean we should add new lodges forever.
What was on a tolerable level of disturbance in the 1980s (visitors, cars, noise and light pollution, water consumption, waste production, land use etc.) is not tolerable any more.
And the severity of threats to habitat and the species themselves have reached crisis levels since the first lodges were built. Yet, we pretend that nothing has changed and that we can keep destroying as if the were all in good order. It is not.
Our attitude must change. Part of this is that nature does not have to earn its survival through our exploitation, as so often argued by hunters, rhino breeders and others who claim to work in the interest of conservation.
Nature deserves to be respected, not cut up and sold in pieces to the highest bidder, and whatever is left can be visited in zoos and other display areas. As Mr. Smit puts it:
*/The KNP is a conservation area not a holiday resort./*
Regards,
Friedemann Essrich
Re: New EIA Malelane Lodge
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:36 pm
by okie
Good grief

What stupid , childish arguments used by this " wright " guy

Did he ever grow up beyond age 6 or so

Re: New EIA Malelane Lodge
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:00 pm
by H. erectus
Okie,... indeed and I wish to stress here again,
somewhere somehow his 'ol man gripped my pity!!,
but for the rest and his associations with others that
are questionable, it leaves a lot of room for thought.
In my publication/presentation to the honorable minister
I mentioned a publication in the New York Times which has
much relevance to this kind of behavior. It's quite sad to
witness major stakeholders responsibility toward crucial
heritage environment and the well being thereof..
But yah we have much more of such deplorable situations
prevailing in this country where the citizens get the wool
pulled over them eyes,..
On a more positive note dear Okie, rather the evil you see
than the one you don't!!
I have a strange feeling,
and somehow believe,....

somehow Kruger
will still outlive humanity!!!!

Re: New EIA Malelane Lodge
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:06 pm
by nan

but... I'm sure they need foreigner's $$$$$$... and from "locals" too

Re: New EIA Malelane Lodge
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:19 pm
by Lisbeth
That's why they are building the hotel, Nan
Not all foreigners are like the AW Western Noses

Re: New EIA Malelane Lodge
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:37 pm
by H. erectus
nan wrote:but... I'm sure they need foreigner's $$$$$$... and from "locals" too
Dear Nan, typical such would be human thinking, we seem
to believe as humans that we are Gods gift to mankind and
therefore possess certain privileges. Insofar we have the rights
to a certain way of thinking, this enabling a certain manipulation
of a "sacred" piece of real and raw wilderness. This "raw" wilderness
probably filling many minds with and rectifying a shortfall calling for
contentedness.
Dear Nan, too many folk out there!!! bucks cannot buy happiness!!,
yet raw wilderness grabs and possesses them,..

Re: New EIA Malelane Lodge
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:38 pm
by H. erectus
Lisbeth wrote:That's why they are building the hotel, Nan
Another cheapskate religion in the making Liz????
Re: New EIA Malelane Lodge
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:19 pm
by Lisbeth
What are you talking about? To me it sounds rather offensive
